Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Airing One's Dirty Laundry

Its not that I disagree with everything that he says, its the way that he says it. It doesn't seem to me that he is defending Jesus' church, it seems to me that he is defending "his" church, and even his own pride.


Kevin said...

Here is a very relevant anecdote.

I served at a fantastic church called Fellowship Bible Church North in Plano Texas.

Fellowship Church (Ed's Church from the video) opened a video campus across the highway from them. This wasn't a small church without a meaningful reach into that community. They were a very healthy church with an international ministry and very solid leadership. They are growing as evidenced by a move to a new campus.

Their name had historical significance not only to their church, but to hundreds of other churches.

The good news is that they are such a cool, healthy church that they changed their name to avoid confusion with Fellowship Church.

They are now Chase Oaks Church.

darkness said...

Lew, you are in a lot of trouble. I think Ed Young believes that you are a pirate.

Nah, just kidding. What is this guy a moron?

I guess you have to complain when one or two of your thousand member church goes out and starts a church.

revolution said...

Don't misunderstand. I'm not playa-hatin. I'm just responding to a publicly posted video with a response that he actually asked for at the end of the video.

That said, thanks for the anecdote, Kevin, if it is actually true.

fred said...

Lew...I love you, but disagree here...

To give you some context, that message was given during FC's Pastor Conference. I am sure there where a lot of guys sitting in that room who appreciated the fact that Ed could relate to them.

I think until you have been through a betrayal or a situation like what was described, you can't really relate, it doesn't make sense and/or seems trivial. But when you put your blood, sweat and tears into a ministry and watch someone "betray" you, it hurts...I don't care who you are.

Lew, there has to be better material out there than this for you to latch on to...regardless of how you feel about Ed, his church, and/or his approach to ministry, he is doing God's work. You can't deny that. I think we should encourage him instead of taking shots...just my opinion...

Fred said...

sorry...I lied...I just found out that message was given to his church staff...that doesn't really change anything I said above...

revolution said...

Who he was speaking to is irrelevant. He posted it on his blog for the world to see and then actually solicited a response at the end of the video.

Actually, I can relate to the situation as it was described. I just played out the scenario differently.

When did I actually attack Ed Young or his church or his ministry, or his calling for that matter?

My observation was simply that posting this video was in poor taste on Ed Young's part. Hurt feelings are no reason to air his dirty laundry to the world.

In my experience, I've seen the word "betrayal" thrown around a little too loosely in the church world.

And yes, I'll admit that his multiple use of the word "phenomenal" in relation to FC was pushing a button.

Trying to build excitement in what God is doing with your church can easily bleed over into needlessly boasting about how great your church is.

We're not all sheep. Some of us actually have eyes to see, and ears to hear.

Lela said...

I'm gonna weigh in with Lew on this one.
There were two ways to handle what I'm gleaning happened here:
One - Let's air our hurt feelings and point fingers from the pulpit, or
Two - We're still here, and we're seeking God, so let's not look at what man is doing.

Honestly, I take issue with the idea that someone was plotting for 10 or 20 years to usurp his authority and svengali a bunch of his members away. That's a bit of a stretch.

revolution said...

Not to mention that I posted a comment on his site about the video and he didn't publish it. Why didn't he publish it?

Because I didn't say, "Wow. I really agree with you. You are so awesome and phenomenal."

Maybe it comes as a surprise, but I enjoy the comments that disagree with me as much as the ones that are in agreement. Because my ego isn't that fragile.

Lela said...

None of that surprises me. People who need to point out how wronged they are will often silence any differring opinions that they can.

And the fact that you don't whine in that fashion tells me that you're not gonna blow a gaskett if someone doesn't agree with you.

Mind you, this is just what I've gleaned from reading your blog. I've found that such a small portion of what we are really gets reflected in these.

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