Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Dumb and Dumber

Lately, I have involved myself on two different forums of conversation in which I find myself caught in the middle. One forum is populated by conservative, legalistic "watchdogs" who enjoy decrying anything and everything that is foreign to them as heresy. By my mere mention of them with this description, they will undoubtedly label me a heretic as well. Any bets on whether I'll lose any sleep over it?

On the other hand, I've found myself involved in another forum with a bunch of post-modern "question everything" smart-alacks who have a snide retort for anything and everything. I find their commitment to the mentality which requires one to throw common sense out the window absolutely astounding. I've actually been struck speechless on more than one occasion by their comments.

If you put these two groups of individuals together in a room, they might very well bear arms and kill each other. If I could only be so lucky. I find it interesting that both of these groups of supposed Jesus-followers irritate me equally. I'm amazed at the ease with which those who declare allegiance to Jesus can declare hostility on each other.

It really doesn't matter which of them is Dumb, and which of them is Dumber. I find them to be equally stupid.

And concerning my "being caught in the middle". If someone quotes me the Bible verse about being "lukewarm", you might as well include your home address, because I will come over and kick your teeth in.


REZ said...

Stuck in the middle...

Maybe that's how Jesus felt whenever he didn't "fit in" with any radical group (ie Pharisees, Saducees, Zealots, ect).

fred said...

Revelation 3:15-16: I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

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Anonymous said...

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

II Peter 2:1-2
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

REZ said...

Nice. You can quote Scripture. So can Satan. What's your point?

Rev'onite said...

But Fred, neither of the groups mentioned is correct in their behavior. Wouldn't you rather he take a stand for what is right and good and pure and lovely?
My opinion is's hard enough to attmept follow Christ's command to love one another, to REALLY love one another. So why focus on anything else before you have that truly embedded into your heart? How you (Revolution) describe each camp tells me they've lost track of the core messsage, to love. I want no part of either side, thanks. While they are bickering and stinging one another to death I'll keep trying to love the unloveable and maybe I'll end up influencing a life for God. How cool would that be?

revolution said...

don't worry fred, I got the joke. thought it was pretty funny too for that matter.

and i see that you've launched a site of your own. don't toy with my emotions fred. don't be one of the million sites that sit out there with one posting.

Rev'onite said...

Sad. Sad that it was too easy to assume Fred was serious. I hate religion.

The 8th person said...

# 1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Just as you would warn me to be careful not to call anyone a heretic without first investigating the matter. I would also encourage you not to call anyone who is standing up for truth and righteousness sake a Pharisee.

Brother Micah would be considered a Pharisee, because he thinks that he has no sin. God, in his grace and mercy did something for us to redeem us from our sins. The moment that becomes polluted with personal interpretation of scripture (that goes against God's Word)no matter how cool or hip they may be... then we need to call it out.

I wouldn't give you the "lukewarm" verse, but I will give you this one RFL...

21"(A)You have heard that the ancients were told, '(B)YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be [a]liable to (C)the court.'

Matthew 5:22-25 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

revolution said...

touche. i've edited the post with a moniker of your own choosing.

Rodney King said...

Can't we all just get along?

revolutionareze said...

The problem with both groups that you mention yourself being tied to through these discussions is number one that they are total polar opposites but yet they have one common denominator in which they question everything. The conservative/legalistics will question everything for a factor of right and wrong pertaining to the fact of whether they will sin against God. On the other hand you have those as you call post modern or free thinkers that will question everything for the validity of whether something will rule over them and hold them within a box. As far as your comment about throwing common sense out the window I believe that both sides have done that to the best of their abilities.

In the end they both need to take a look at themselves to figure out how they will explain themselves to God when they meet him in the end.

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